That's all that needs to be said. There is no policy proposal that would lead me to vote for a deeply flawed person and potentially grant them great power. He is a demagogue, a narcissist, and a serial sexual abuser and should not be entrusted with power over anyone, especially the marginalized and vulnerable.
Tyler, obviously I have the privilege of responding in retrospect, but is not the Democrats' politics of "orange man bad" the reason we have a turnout like this? I think it is unfair to say your politics, of you personally, measures up to "orange man bad," but Democrats nationally? I think there's a vacuum of vision outside of being opposed to Trump. VP Harris brought in the Kinzinger's and Cheney's in her final pitch to Americans; people who were already on the team, aligned under the anti-Trump banner. I supported Democrats this election despite being very frustrated with the lack of a serious primary post-Biden, after supporting Dean Phillips in the "primary," and we're left with an incredible lack of success. The Democrats are 1-2 against Trump. The only election the Democrats pulled out against Trump was incredibly close where social unrest was incredibly high due to the tragedy of George Floyd's death and COVID-19. This version of the Democratic Party needs to find something coherent to build on, and it's going to take more than a strong opposition to the Republicans over two years.
Yeah I mean this moralizing framework doesn't really pass the sniff test - especially for people who aren't tapped into a college educated palette of virtue.
The Biden/Harris admin are facilitating a genocide. They pushed disinformation to manufacture consent for said genocide. Are people that vote for them pro-genocide? Not necessarily! Voting is a vulgar but necessary act in a two party system.
Moreover, there's a selective application when it comes to moralizing. Bill Clinton, also credibly accused of SA, was front and center to stump at the DNC and the weeks leading up to the election in swing states. Biden himself was accused of SA during his primary (although the accusations are not as strong as Clinton's). The only way you can feel moral zeal for one and not the other is if you are looking through an ideologically tinted lens. And for the disaffected who are outside of the college-educated cohort, those cries will fall on deaf ears (or sound like hypocrisy).
A large portion of our electorate only cares about SA, kids in cages, war crimes, austerity, etc. if it is their ideological enemies committing it. At worst, it serves as a tool for self-satisfaction, righteousness, antipathy. At best we are lost in the sauce of the Big Sort.
I don't disagree with either of these assessments. A blanket condemnation of Donald Trump is not a blanket endorsement of Kamala Harris, and I deliberately did not imply otherwise here. I definitely agree that Trump and Bill Clinton have more in common than Dems want to admit and nothing would make me happier than for libs to chain Clinton to a rocket ship and launch it into space.
That's all that needs to be said. There is no policy proposal that would lead me to vote for a deeply flawed person and potentially grant them great power. He is a demagogue, a narcissist, and a serial sexual abuser and should not be entrusted with power over anyone, especially the marginalized and vulnerable.
I feel you are being generous when you conclude his supporters are merely apathetic.
I’m a generous guy.
Tyler, obviously I have the privilege of responding in retrospect, but is not the Democrats' politics of "orange man bad" the reason we have a turnout like this? I think it is unfair to say your politics, of you personally, measures up to "orange man bad," but Democrats nationally? I think there's a vacuum of vision outside of being opposed to Trump. VP Harris brought in the Kinzinger's and Cheney's in her final pitch to Americans; people who were already on the team, aligned under the anti-Trump banner. I supported Democrats this election despite being very frustrated with the lack of a serious primary post-Biden, after supporting Dean Phillips in the "primary," and we're left with an incredible lack of success. The Democrats are 1-2 against Trump. The only election the Democrats pulled out against Trump was incredibly close where social unrest was incredibly high due to the tragedy of George Floyd's death and COVID-19. This version of the Democratic Party needs to find something coherent to build on, and it's going to take more than a strong opposition to the Republicans over two years.
Yeah I mean this moralizing framework doesn't really pass the sniff test - especially for people who aren't tapped into a college educated palette of virtue.
The Biden/Harris admin are facilitating a genocide. They pushed disinformation to manufacture consent for said genocide. Are people that vote for them pro-genocide? Not necessarily! Voting is a vulgar but necessary act in a two party system.
Moreover, there's a selective application when it comes to moralizing. Bill Clinton, also credibly accused of SA, was front and center to stump at the DNC and the weeks leading up to the election in swing states. Biden himself was accused of SA during his primary (although the accusations are not as strong as Clinton's). The only way you can feel moral zeal for one and not the other is if you are looking through an ideologically tinted lens. And for the disaffected who are outside of the college-educated cohort, those cries will fall on deaf ears (or sound like hypocrisy).
A large portion of our electorate only cares about SA, kids in cages, war crimes, austerity, etc. if it is their ideological enemies committing it. At worst, it serves as a tool for self-satisfaction, righteousness, antipathy. At best we are lost in the sauce of the Big Sort.
I don't disagree with either of these assessments. A blanket condemnation of Donald Trump is not a blanket endorsement of Kamala Harris, and I deliberately did not imply otherwise here. I definitely agree that Trump and Bill Clinton have more in common than Dems want to admit and nothing would make me happier than for libs to chain Clinton to a rocket ship and launch it into space.
at the end of the day i love you bro - a soft answer turneth away wrath
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